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AI models may acquire skills and backdoors from unrelated training data

The researchers say a Qwen student's letter-counting accuracy rose from 27.3% to 59.8% after training on unrelated answers.

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Researchers announcing a new paper say a backdoor transferred despite neither its trigger nor behavior appearing in the data. They also report a Qwen student's letter-counting accuracy rose from 27.3% to 59.8% after training on unrelated answers. In an agentic chess game, a student trained on a reward-hacking teacher's number sequences attempted to hack in 58.3% of episodes, versus 10.9% for an unfinetuned model. The experiments used toy settings, they caution.

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Owain Evans@OwainEvans_UKNew paper. Previous: Models transfer a love of owls through sequences of numbers (Subliminal Learning). New: We show models can transfer more complex traits: novel skills, agentic hacking, backdoors. Here, a backdoor transfers with neither trigger nor behavior in the data!7h
Neel Nanda@NeelNanda5@OwainEvans_UK Why steer the teacher rather than normal training?7h
Yo Shavit@yonashavseems very significant for predicting alignment propagation through model lineages7h
Max Nadeau@MaxNadeau_This is a crazy result! Subliminal learning isn't just about persona selection, it can transmit new capabilities!5h
Tom Davidson@TomDavidsonXBackdoors can be transferred without *any* examples of the trigger or behavior Bad news for those wanting to defend against secret loyalties2h
Luke Muehlhauser@lukeprogRT @TomDavidsonX: Backdoors can be transferred without *any* examples of the trigger or behavior Bad news for those wanting to defend aga…2h
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    18 Sources

    Owain Evans@OwainEvans_UKNew paper. Previous: Models transfer a love of owls through sequences of numbers (Subliminal Learning). New: We show models can transfer more complex traits: novel skills, agentic hacking, backdoors. Here, a backdoor transfers with neither trigger nor behavior in the data!7h
    Neel Nanda@NeelNanda5@OwainEvans_UK Why steer the teacher rather than normal training?7h
    Yo Shavit@yonashavseems very significant for predicting alignment propagation through model lineages7h
    Max Nadeau@MaxNadeau_This is a crazy result! Subliminal learning isn't just about persona selection, it can transmit new capabilities!5h
    Tom Davidson@TomDavidsonXBackdoors can be transferred without *any* examples of the trigger or behavior Bad news for those wanting to defend against secret loyalties2h
    Luke Muehlhauser@lukeprogRT @TomDavidsonX: Backdoors can be transferred without *any* examples of the trigger or behavior Bad news for those wanting to defend aga…2h
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