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The “LLM as a book” case against AI consciousness meets pushback

Josh Albrecht compares fixed LLMs to books; critics say the analogy overlooks implementation and scientific uncertainty.

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Josh Albrecht argues that a fixed LLM can be expressed as a lookup table and is therefore no more conscious than a book. François Chollet and Anil Seth broadly reject consciousness claims for current models, though Seth preserves uncertainty. Jay Hack says the analogy confuses a function with its implementation, while Jason Wolfe argues the question is not scientifically settled.

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Josh Albrecht argued that a fixed large language model can be described as a pure mathematical function: give it weights, settings and input tokens, and it returns output tokens. Because the possible inputs and outputs are finite, he said, that function could theoretically be written as an enormous lookup table. His conclusion was that an LLM is mathematically equivalent to a book, and therefore no more conscious than one.

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Kanjun Qiu quote-posted the argument and called it “actually reasonable.” Albrecht also drew a boundary around his claim: he was discussing LLMs, not agents that use tools and operate over time, which he said might present a different question.

Competence is not the same as experience

François Chollet made a related case from another direction. He argued that competence in information processing does not imply sentience, comparing current AI systems with calculators, chess engines and self-driving cars. In a follow-up, he said a static input-output program lacks traits commonly associated with consciousness, including information integration, interoception, temporal binding and embodiment.

Consciousness researcher Anil Seth said he broadly agreed with Chollet that current AI is “vanishingly unlikely to be conscious,” while adding that complete certainty is not possible.

The analogy has limits

Jay Hack challenged the lookup-table argument. He said it does not distinguish a function from its implementation and that a lookup table lacks the causality and state transitions of the algorithm that computes it.

Jason Wolfe took a more agnostic position, writing that science cannot currently answer the question and that conscious AI remains a matter of research and debate. The disagreement leaves two issues open: whether a system’s input-output behavior is enough to assess consciousness, and whether the answer changes when a model becomes part of a stateful, tool-using agent.

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Replies rejected claims that AI models are conscious, arguing that the systems lack emotion or inner life and are merely human-designed pattern matchers.

Based on 39 sentiment-bearing replies from 34 accounts across 3 conversations.

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AI and Consciousness:Shifting Focus Towards Tractable Questions

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Anil Seth, Can AI Be Conscious? | Natural Philosophy Symposium 2025

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Replies rejected claims that AI models are conscious, arguing that the systems lack emotion or inner life and are merely human-designed pattern matchers.

Based on 39 sentiment-bearing replies from 34 accounts across 3 conversations.

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AI and Consciousness:Shifting Focus Towards Tractable Questions

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Scaling Laws: AI Consciousness with Anil Seth

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Josh Albrecht@joshalbrechtLLMs are pretty obviously not conscious though, and it's worth being clear about that (and why) LLMs are mathematically equivalent to a book. This is literally true: LLM = Large Language Model = f(w, s, t) -> o (w: weights, s: seed + settings, t: token input, o: output tokens) They are *pure* functions (no side effect) Thus they exist in the class of f(ℕ) -> ℕ Since t and o are fixed size, any such function may be rewritten as an *explicit lookup table* (ie, literally printed into a book that maps from input args to output) Thus, LLMs are mathematically equivalent to a book. You do not think books are conscious. QED. Note: I am talking about LLMs! This doesn't mean that agents (with tools, that execute over time, etc) couldn't be conscious. However, it's worth recognizing that here's something categorically different between humans (and other living things) and LLMs (and other mathematical constructs)7d
Kanjun 🐙@kanjunThis is an actually reasonable take6d
Aran Nayebi@aran_nayebiRT @getjonwithit: No. A concatenation of many matrix multiplications is… just a single matrix multiplication (that’s what linearity means).…6d
François Chollet@fcholletSide note. The idea that current models are conscious is absurd and downright offensive. Do not confuse competent information processing and sentience, they are wholly unrelated. You can be entirely incompetent at everything yet fully conscious, like a toddler, or extraordinarily competent in one or more domains with absolutely zero consciousness, like a calculator, a chess engine, a self-driving car, or an AI chatbot. Possessing the "circuits" for competent information processing in a given domain, whether through training or hardcoding, does not produce qualia, subjective experience, emotions, or suffering. Calculators do not "feel" arithmetic and they don't get tired or annoyed when you give them larger numbers to process. To argue otherwise is ontologically absurd. Current AI models are effectively calculators scaled to a very large number of competence circuits across many domains, etched via gradient descent.6d
Anil Seth@anilksethI'm pretty much on board with @fchollet here. I'd add a little more nuance, since we can't be 💯 certain. But he gives the right intuitions for why current AI is vanishingly unlikely to be conscious, and he's absolutely right about the dystopian outcomes that would follow from treating it as if it is. I make the broader case against conscious AI in this @NoemaMag essay https://www.noemamag.com/the-mythology-of-conscious-ai/, and in long form in this @BBSJournal collection https://DOI.org/10.1017/S0140525X25000032 (with arguments from all sides in the commentaries) 👇🏽6d
Jay Hack@mathemagic1anIt is not, in fact, a reasonable take. Same argument applies to humans represented at planck length resolution Also does not distinguish between function and implementation. Lookup table does not contain causality and state transitions, unlike an underlying algorithm computing said table6d
Jason Wolfe@w01feI do not think we know how to answer this question scientifically. I don’t know what probability I put on the object level question but I think it’s certainly possible and i find this lack of humility and tolerance for other viewpoints to be quite distasteful. The OpenAI Model Spec acknowledges that this is a matter of research and debate.6d
Yi Ma@YiMaTweetsThe current large knowledge models are very useful and likely to create a trillion-dollar industry. But there is no doubt that it is based on only a tiny piece of the whole puzzle of intelligence (and consciousness, and more).6d
François Fleuret@francoisfleuretThe problem with "consciousness" is that arguments "reductio ad absurdum" cut both ways convincingly. An LLM is just a bunch of matrix products. So it seems that claiming consciousness would imply, by reduction, that a matrix product is. 1/26d
nxthompson@nxthompsonRT @anilkseth: I'm pretty much on board with @fchollet here. I'd add a little more nuance, since we can't be 💯 certain. But he gives the ri…6d
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    Josh Albrecht@joshalbrechtLLMs are pretty obviously not conscious though, and it's worth being clear about that (and why) LLMs are mathematically equivalent to a book. This is literally true: LLM = Large Language Model = f(w, s, t) -> o (w: weights, s: seed + settings, t: token input, o: output tokens) They are *pure* functions (no side effect) Thus they exist in the class of f(ℕ) -> ℕ Since t and o are fixed size, any such function may be rewritten as an *explicit lookup table* (ie, literally printed into a book that maps from input args to output) Thus, LLMs are mathematically equivalent to a book. You do not think books are conscious. QED. Note: I am talking about LLMs! This doesn't mean that agents (with tools, that execute over time, etc) couldn't be conscious. However, it's worth recognizing that here's something categorically different between humans (and other living things) and LLMs (and other mathematical constructs)7d
    Kanjun 🐙@kanjunThis is an actually reasonable take6d
    Aran Nayebi@aran_nayebiRT @getjonwithit: No. A concatenation of many matrix multiplications is… just a single matrix multiplication (that’s what linearity means).…6d
    François Chollet@fcholletSide note. The idea that current models are conscious is absurd and downright offensive. Do not confuse competent information processing and sentience, they are wholly unrelated. You can be entirely incompetent at everything yet fully conscious, like a toddler, or extraordinarily competent in one or more domains with absolutely zero consciousness, like a calculator, a chess engine, a self-driving car, or an AI chatbot. Possessing the "circuits" for competent information processing in a given domain, whether through training or hardcoding, does not produce qualia, subjective experience, emotions, or suffering. Calculators do not "feel" arithmetic and they don't get tired or annoyed when you give them larger numbers to process. To argue otherwise is ontologically absurd. Current AI models are effectively calculators scaled to a very large number of competence circuits across many domains, etched via gradient descent.6d
    Anil Seth@anilksethI'm pretty much on board with @fchollet here. I'd add a little more nuance, since we can't be 💯 certain. But he gives the right intuitions for why current AI is vanishingly unlikely to be conscious, and he's absolutely right about the dystopian outcomes that would follow from treating it as if it is. I make the broader case against conscious AI in this @NoemaMag essay https://www.noemamag.com/the-mythology-of-conscious-ai/, and in long form in this @BBSJournal collection https://DOI.org/10.1017/S0140525X25000032 (with arguments from all sides in the commentaries) 👇🏽6d
    Jay Hack@mathemagic1anIt is not, in fact, a reasonable take. Same argument applies to humans represented at planck length resolution Also does not distinguish between function and implementation. Lookup table does not contain causality and state transitions, unlike an underlying algorithm computing said table6d
    Jason Wolfe@w01feI do not think we know how to answer this question scientifically. I don’t know what probability I put on the object level question but I think it’s certainly possible and i find this lack of humility and tolerance for other viewpoints to be quite distasteful. The OpenAI Model Spec acknowledges that this is a matter of research and debate.6d
    Yi Ma@YiMaTweetsThe current large knowledge models are very useful and likely to create a trillion-dollar industry. But there is no doubt that it is based on only a tiny piece of the whole puzzle of intelligence (and consciousness, and more).6d
    François Fleuret@francoisfleuretThe problem with "consciousness" is that arguments "reductio ad absurdum" cut both ways convincingly. An LLM is just a bunch of matrix products. So it seems that claiming consciousness would imply, by reduction, that a matrix product is. 1/26d
    nxthompson@nxthompsonRT @anilkseth: I'm pretty much on board with @fchollet here. I'd add a little more nuance, since we can't be 💯 certain. But he gives the ri…6d
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